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Chủ đề: Microsoft vs. Linux - Vừa ăn cướp , vừa la làng và vừa đe doạ

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    Mặc định Microsoft vs. Linux - Vừa ăn cướp , vừa la làng và vừa đe doạ

    Ballmer: Linux users owe Microsoft
    Eric Lai

    November 16, 2006 (Computerworld) In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions, Microsoft Corp. CEO Steve Ballmer today declared his belief that the Linux operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property.

    In a question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the Professional Association for SQL Server (PASS) conference in Seattle, Ballmer said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor Novell Inc. earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return for our shareholders from our innovation."

    (Open-source fans later fired back with comments of their own about Ballmer's assertion.)

    The Nov. 2 deal involves an agreement by Novell and Microsoft to boost the interoperability of their competing software products. It also calls for Microsoft to pay Novell $440 million for coupons entitling users to a year's worth of maintenance and support on SUSE Linux to its customers. In addition, Microsoft agreed to recommend SUSE software for Windows users looking to use Linux as well.

    A key element of the agreement now appears to be Novell's $40 million payment to Microsoft in exchange for the latter company's pledge not to sue SUSE Linux users over possible patent violations. Also protected are individuals and noncommercial open-source developers who create code and contribute to the SUSE Linux distribution, as well as developers who are paid to create code that goes into the distribution.

    Many open-source advocates criticized the deal, nevertheless. They argued that it was tantamount to an admission of patent violations by a key Linux supporter that bolstered Microsoft's case if it decided press its patent claims.

    At the time, Microsoft officials, including Ballmer, were mum on whether the Linux kernel, which is governed by the General Public License and takes contributions from programmers all around the world, violated Microsoft's patents.

    Ballmer was more open today.

    "Novell pays us some money for the right to tell customers that anybody who uses SUSE Linux is appropriately covered," Ballmer said. This "is important to us, because [otherwise] we believe every Linux customer basically has an undisclosed balance-sheet liability."

    "My reaction is that so far, what he [Ballmer] said is just more FUD [fear, uncertainty and doubt]," said Pamela Jones, editor of the blog, which tracks legal issues in the open-source community. "Let him sue if he thinks he has a valid claim, and we'll see how well his customers like it."

    Officials at Red Hat Inc., the leading Linux distributor, also dismissed Ballmer's comments. "We do not believe there is a need for or basis for the type of relationship defined in the Microsoft/Novell announcement," said Mark Webbink, deputy general counsel.

    Red Hat has called Microsoft's legal threat a looming "innovation tax." It also said that it can protect its customers against patent claims.

    Jones noted that after the Nov. 2 deal was announced, Novell said on its Web site that "the agreement had nothing to do with any known infringement. So which is true?"

    Jones also challenged Ballmer to "put his money where his mouth is" and detail exactly what part of the Linux kernel source code allegedly infringes upon Microsoft patents, so that "folks will strip out the code and work around it or prove his patent invalid."

    Ballmer did not provide details during his comments today. But he was adamant that Linux users, apart from those using SUSE, are taking advantage of Microsoft innovation, and that someone -- either Linux vendors or users -- would eventually have to pay up.

    "Only customers that use SUSE have paid properly for intellectual property from Microsoft," he said. "We are willing to do a deal with Red Hat and other Linux distributors." The deal with SUSE Linux "is not exclusive," Ballmer added.

    Robert McMillan, of the IDG News Service, contributed to this report.

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    Mặc định Một vài phản biện tiêu biểu của dân pro về lời phát biểu của ông Ballmer, chủ tịch MS


    I think it is hilarious Ballmer claims that Linux users owe MS for "taking advantage of Microsoft innovation." What innovation? This company never has been an innovator, just a user of others' ideas. I will be interested to see if MS ever details what part of the Linux kernel is infringing. I think this is another scare tactic with no teeth.

    -- Mark Perricone

    Stealing profits

    Watch Microsoft. Now that Oracle has offered to indemnify all Red Hat Linux users on any patent infringement issues, Microsoft may be using this as a way to steal Oracle profits. ...

    -- Chris Driscoll

    Started stealing with CPM

    This is an unbelievable statement from a company that has made a career out of stealing other companies' ideas -- starting with CPM.

    -- Jim Hess

    Now thinking of converting users to Red Hat

    As a longtime user, supporter and seller of Microsoft products, Ballmer's statement is so arrogant that it makes me want to convert all my users to Red Hat.

    -- John Beale

    Intimidation tactics

    The whole point of a patent is that disclosure protects you, so why isn't Ballmer disclosing what IP is being used? Microsoft is simply using intimidation to further strengthen its anticompetitive and aggressive marketing strategies.

    -- Nic Oatridge

    Microsoft has stolen everything

    Steve Ballmer claims that Linux users somehow owe Microsoft for use of its intellectual property. Actually, it is Microsoft that owes the open source community, including Linux, reparations. Consider that Microsoft "stole" a complete open source TCP/IP stack (some of which was rooted in Linux) in order to connect their operating system to the Internet. They "stole" an entire open source web browser to form the basis of their own effort. Microsoft has performed its trademark FUD operation to date against Linux by bankrolling the SCO lawsuit via purchases of Unix "licenses," with minor success. Since the SCO FUD op now appears to be fading rapidly, I guess Ballmer feels the need to take direct action, and appears to be targeting the exact interoperability interfaces his own company recently vowed to expand. Personally, I think three fingers point back in this case: Microsoft has invented nothing (not even DOS), and stolen everything in its intellectual portfolio.

    -- Doug Campbell

    The Internet is next

    Nice article. What's next? MS declares the Internet a patent infringement?

    -- J.L.

    DOS ripped off Unix

    What is he talking about?
    Windows was based on MS-DOS. MS-DOS was a rip-off from Unix.

    -- Larry Birdsong

    Pompous, arrogant ...

    What a pompous, arrogant jerk. Is he going to claim that Microsoft invented breathing also? Did he learn nothing from SCO?

    -- Juan Martinez

    Ownership by blackmail

    I guess Ballmer figures if he can't eliminate Linux, he can "blackmail" his way into owning a piece (or pieces) of it.
    Seems I recall a problem with Linux/Unix sometime back, and Microsoft had duplicated the code so closely that they had the same problem in Windows. I guess this "intellectual property" idea only flows one way in Microsoft's world. God knows they haven't benefited in any way from anyone else's work.

    -- Ron Blessing

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    Mặc định

    Đúng là vừa ăn cướp, vừa la làng, vừa đe dọa .

    Tung tiền 30 triệu cho bọn SCO kiện cáo HP và IBM về khoản hổ trợ LINUX open-source không xong thì nay lại chơi tiếp trò này.

    Nay thấy tập đoàn Oracle cũng hổ trợ luôn LINUX với giá rẻ thì lại sợ mất thị phần nên tạo ra một sự khủng hoảng cho các doanh nghiệp vì họ sợ bị kiện cáo. Cách đây vài năm khi IBM và HP hổ trợ LINUX thì lại hổ trợ cho SCO kiện cáo IBM và HP và các khách hàng về khoảng thông minh trí tuệ nhưng ra tòa thì lại không có bằng chứng gì. Thế là SCO toi luôn tiền kiện cáo. Bảo thiên hạ trên thế giới này chôm chỉa bản quyền , copyright của mình nhưng lại không có cách nào chứng mình được là kernel, codes là của SCO hoặc của Microsoft.

    Này, các dân open-source Hà Nội coi chừng đó nhé. BIll Gate và Ballmer vác máy chém Thái Nguyên qua Việt Nam trừng trị bọn Việt nam mít vì tội ăn cắp bản quyền LINUX của Microsoft đấy nhé

    Có nhà thì lấy nhà, có xe Wave, Dream, Jupiter thì lấy đủ. Không có thì chơi luôn chiếc xe đạp cũng được ===> khõi đi họp hẹt gì hết.

    Nghèo quá, vô sản không có gì , trên răng dưới là cà pháo thì lấy được cái gì nhỉ :biggrin: :biggrin: ?

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